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Post by brendywendy on Mar 24, 2007 1:22:39 GMT -5
???I WATCHTED THE VIDEO OF "LOOSE CHANGE" ONLINE AND I FIND IT HARD TO BELIEVE THAT OUR GOVERNMENT MIGHT HAVE CAUSED 9/11. BUT, I DO THINK THERE ARE THINGS THAT ARE LEGITIMATE QUESTIONS....THE #1 THING THAT RESONATED WITH ME IS THAT WHEN THE TOWERS FELL, IT LOOKS LIKE A DEMOLITION....I THINK THERE WERE PROBABLY BOMBS IN THE BUILDING..
ANYWAY, HAS ANYONE ELSE WATCHED THIS AND ANYONE HAVE ANY OPINION?
IF YOU HAVEN'T WATCHED IT, I REALLY DON'T CARE WHAT YOU THINK...OH THAT SOUNDS RUDE, BUT I MEAN I WANT TO KNOW WHAT OTHER PEOPLE WHO DID WATCH IT THINK....
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Post by robertaxel on Mar 24, 2007 8:50:03 GMT -5
I think it is compelling, but not definitive.. as someone who had been at Ground Zero I know all too well that two planes hit the tower, however still not sure why tower 7 fell, as there was no direct impact on that building.
It is all too sad that world history makes this feasible; when one looks at how government (not just the US but many governments have lied to their people):
- The Reichstag fire of 1933, which the Nazis set as an excuse to crack down on 'undesirables.
-The Gulf of Tonkin resolution of 1964, which LBJ knew was a lie.
- The 'Remember the Maine' slogan of 1898, in which US forces deliberately blew up a ship in Manila as an excuse to start the Spanish American war..
just a few examples.
Robert
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Post by bluesron on Mar 24, 2007 10:29:55 GMT -5
Interesting the number of conspiracy theories that center around 9/11.
Personally, I don't feel that it was deliberate action on the government. It was a well planned terrorist act.
Did this government underestimate the terrorist's capabilities? Yes, both this administration and the previous.
Did the current administration exploit the tragedy? Oh baby, you bet!
The Monkey Boy went from a less than 45 percent approval rating on Sept 10 2001, to an almost 100 percent approval rating a week later. They've used 9/11 for campaign propagand, and to basically wipe their asses with the Constitution and the Bill of Rights and to keep the fear that we felt on that day to be constantly in play to advance their agenda.
"The terrorsist's hate everything about America"
"You're either with us or with the terrorists."
"Watch what you say"
"Failure in Iraq will lead the insurgents to our shores"
"The Democrat's are soft on terrorism"
They remind me of the character Squealer in Orwell's 'Animal Farm'. The chief propagand spokesman for the pigs, anytime the other animals questioned the pig's motives or actions, Squealer's question to them was "Do you want Farmer Jones back?"
I haven't seen the film in question and realize you didn't want my opinion becuase of it, but you got it anyway.
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Post by robertaxel on Mar 24, 2007 12:20:38 GMT -5
Nice comparison with Animal Farm, Ron.. although originally a commentary on Stalinist Russia, it still is all too timely
R
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Post by erik on Mar 24, 2007 18:41:18 GMT -5
And we all might want to add the "framing" of Lee Harvey Oswald as the alleged assassin of JFK, when most people think it was a well-orchestrated coup d'etat.
As for 9/11--I don't think our government had a hand in actually carrying out the attack. But I am firmly of the belief that the Bush junta wanted something like this to happen, for their own perverse agenda.
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Post by bluesron on Mar 24, 2007 18:58:45 GMT -5
As for 9/11--I don't think our government had a hand in actually carrying out the attack. But I am firmly of the belief that the Bush junta wanted something like this to happen, for their own perverse agenda. I disagree somewhat, I think they were looking for some provocation from Iraq to give them the excuse to do what they eventually did. I don't believe they were looking for or actually wanting anything on such a massive scale as the Twin Towers. That just got the people in a patriotic "let's kick some ass" fever, so the leadup to Iraq met with little public resistence. They were able to sell the American people the bill of goods they did and the wimpy Dems in Congress at the time went along out of fear of not being popular with the folks back home. They went after the Taliban in Afghanistan mostly to get them out of the picture (not that it's worked) and to use it as a leadup to Iraq. I've heard some theories that it's more due to the fact that the Taliban government renigged on a massive pipeline deal, more than because they were supposedly hiding Bin laden and his cohorts. The Taliban is still a factor along with poppy production and the new "government" is just as shaky as the bunch in Iraq is . |
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Post by brendywendy on Mar 25, 2007 2:17:36 GMT -5
;)NO, THAT'S OK, GLAD TO GET YOUR OPINION, IF YOU EVER WATCH IT ONLINE , I'D LIKE TO KNOW IF YOU THINK THEY MAKE ANY LEGITIMATE POINTS....I'D BE INTERESTED IN YOUR OPINION THEN TOO... Interesting the number of conspiracy theories that center around 9/11. Personally, I don't feel that it was deliberate action on the government. It was a well planned terrorist act. Did this government underestimate the terrorist's capabilities? Yes, both this administration and the previous. Did the current administration exploit the tragedy? Oh baby, you bet! The Monkey Boy went from a less than 45 percent approval rating on Sept 10 2001, to an almost 100 percent approval rating a week later. They've used 9/11 for campaign propagand, and to basically wipe their asses with the Constitution and the Bill of Rights and to keep the fear that we felt on that day to be constantly in play to advance their agenda. "The terrorsist's hate everything about America" "You're either with us or with the terrorists." "Watch what you say" "Failure in Iraq will lead the insurgents to our shores" "The Democrat's are soft on terrorism" They remind me of the character Squealer in Orwell's 'Animal Farm'. The chief propagand spokesman for the pigs, anytime the other animals questioned the pig's motives or actions, Squealer's question to them was "Do you want Farmer Jones back?" I haven't seen the film in question and realize you didn't want my opinion becuase of it, but you got it anyway. |
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Post by brendywendy on Mar 25, 2007 2:25:43 GMT -5
???THE MOST COMPELLING THING TO ME IN THE VIDEO WAS THE ARGUMENT THAT WHEN THE TWIN TOWERS FELL, IT LOOKED LIKE A DEMOLITION AND AS THEY POINTED OUT, YOU COULD SEE LITTLE EXPLOSIONS (MAYBE), LITTLE BURSTS OF LIGHTS BELOW THE COLLAPSE AS IT COLLAPSED....UNLESS THEY DOCTORED THE TAPES OR THERE IS ANOTHER EXPLANATION....
ALSO THERE QUESTION AS TO WHY WHEN THE AIRPLANE WENT ALLEGEDLY INTO THE PENTAGON , THERE WAS NOT INDENTIONS MADE BY THE WINGS....
AND HOW COULD THE PLANE THAT CRASHED INTO THE GROUND HAVE BEEN TOTALLY VAPORISED?
I'M NOT SCIENTIST,SO I CANNOT JUDGE THE LEGITIMACY OF THOSE QUESTIONS, BUT THEY DID MAKE ME DOUBT THAT WE HAVE BEEN GIVEN ALL THE ANSWERS....
I DON'T PERSONALLY THINK THE GOVERNMENT DID IT, BUT THERE MAY HAVE BEEN A LARGER CONSPIRACY AT THE TOWERS AND THEY MAY HAVE PINNED THE DEAL ON WHO THEY WANTED TO....
I'D LIKE THERE TO BE SOMEONE WHO WOULD ANSWER ALL THESE QUESTIONS ......I'D LIKE TO SEE SOME LEGITIMATE NEWS AGENCY REALLY RESEARCH ALL THIS WITH AN OPEN MIND AND NOT JUST DISMISS IT ALL AS LUNACY....
I DID THINK THE MAKERS OF THE FILM BELIEVED THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION WAS GUILTY AND THEY INTERPRET EVERYTHING TO FIT THAT SCENARIO....
I THINK EVERYONE SHOULD AT LEAST LOOK AT THE FILM....AND BY THE WAY, I DIDN'T HEAR ANYTHING IN THE FILM SAYING IT WAS A JEWISH CONSPIRACY OR THAT JEWS WERE GIVEN FAIR WARNING AHEAD OF TIME....I HAD HEARD THAT SAID BUT DID NOT SEE IT IN THE FILM I WATCHED...
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Post by robertaxel on Mar 25, 2007 8:36:52 GMT -5
Well, if Jews had an advanced warning, they skipped yours truly!!.. actually, what bothers me is the fact that the administration has been SO secretive... it only makes them looks guilty... even worse is the fact that there are STILL many JFK documents still classified.. what are they hiding 40 YEARS after the fact. Aren't most of the people involved already dead??
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Post by brendywendy on Mar 25, 2007 11:04:46 GMT -5
WERE YOU IN THE TOWERS? Well, if Jews had an advanced warning, they skipped yours truly!!.. actually, what bothers me is the fact that the administration has been SO secretive... it only makes them looks guilty... even worse is the fact that there are STILL many JFK documents still classified.. what are they hiding 40 YEARS after the fact. Aren't most of the people involved already dead?? |
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Post by robertaxel on Mar 25, 2007 13:18:46 GMT -5
I was at the World Financial Center.. a very few yards away... I saw everything, including many images which will never leave me.. I am very lucky to even be writing this
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Post by brendywendy on Mar 25, 2007 15:02:42 GMT -5
 I'M SO GLAD YOU ARE...TO THINK I MIGHT NEVER HAVE MET YOU.....SUCH A HORRIBLE DAY.....I DON'T LIKE JUST CARELESS SPECULATION ABOUT "DID BUSH DO IT?", SEEMS VERY UNLIKELY, I DO THINK THERE MAY HAVE BEEN MORE TO IT THOUGH AND THE GOVERNMENT MIGHT HAVE WRAPPED IT ALL IN TO TOO NEAT OF A PACKAGE...AFTER ALL, DO WE REALLY BELIEVE THAT THEY KNEW WHO DID IT SO QUICKLY ? WHEN HAVE THEY EVER SHOWN SUCH EFFICIENCY?....PERHAPS SOME GOVERNMENT LIKE SAUDIA ARABIA WAS MORE INVOLVED OR MAYBE SOME PEOPLE AT THE TOWERS WHO HAD ACCESS WERE PAID OFF MONETARILY TO SET BOMBS , WHO KNOWS? ....IF BUSH HADN'T LIED ABOUT SO MANYT THINGS, I'D BE MORE WILLING TO ACCEPT THEIR STORY AT FACE VALUE....quote author=robertaxel board=democrat thread=1174717359 post=1174846726]I was at the World Financial Center.. a very few yards away... I saw everything, including many images which will never leave me.. I am very lucky to even be writing this [/quote]
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Post by robertaxel on Mar 25, 2007 15:39:23 GMT -5
oh, I don't see how anyone can doubt Saudi funding or involvment... 15 of 19 hijackers were Saudi...and I was also amazed at how quickly all the hijackers were identified... the quickest government identification of a subject since Lee Harvey Oswald...
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Post by bluesron on Mar 25, 2007 16:32:00 GMT -5
oh, I don't see how anyone can doubt Saudi funding or involvment... 15 of 19 hijackers were Saudi...and I was also amazed at how quickly all the hijackers were identified... the quickest government identification of a subject since Lee Harvey Oswald... well the Saudi funding more than likely is because the Saudi Royal family pay off these groups to leave them alone. What the groups do with the money isn't their concern. 15 of the 19 could have been citizens of the Fiji Islands and the Monkey Boy would have still attacked Iraq. Getting to the who or why about 9/11 ceased to be a primary concern of this administration, once they determined it could be the rallying point to launch their Iraq agenda around. |
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Post by brendywendy on Mar 25, 2007 19:15:47 GMT -5
 NOW SEE, THAT MAKES SENSE TO ME...THAT BUSH WOULDA COVERED UP FOR HIS SAUDI FRIENDS....THERE'S A LOTTA HYPERBOLE AND SOMETIMES PEOPLE JUST HATE BUSH SO MUCH, THEY AREN'T RATIONALE, THEY WILL BLAME HIM FOR ANYTHING....BUT SOMETHING STINKS HERE...
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Post by ronstadtfanaz on Apr 4, 2007 14:47:23 GMT -5
I believe Loose Change added some footage after I had originally seen it. I don't buy the official "conspiracy theory" as given by our administration or the phoney 9-11 coverup committee. This was a black ops program implimented by segments of our government in conjunction with globalist powers and with the knowledge and complicity of the Bush Administration (especially Cheney). There are many great 9-11 sites out there. One could make a career of it. BTW, Lyndon Johnson was behind the JFK assassination. He was about to be indicted the following Monday and had Kennedy not been killed when he was Johnson would have been imprisoned. His mistress Madelyn Brown discusses the details before her death about a meeting that took place with all the players involved in the assassination. Also, E Howard Hunt's son discusses his father's deathbed confession alluding to Johnson's role in the murder of JFK. And another note of interest is the disappearance of presidential candidate W Bush the weekend JFK Jr. died. (sorry to get off track here)
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Post by ronstadtfanaz on Apr 4, 2007 14:49:13 GMT -5
Ooops, Hunt discusses his father's confession in the recent issue of Rolling Stone.
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I'M SO GLAD YOU ARE...TO THINK I MIGHT NEVER HAVE MET YOU.....SUCH A HORRIBLE DAY.....I DON'T LIKE JUST CARELESS SPECULATION ABOUT "DID BUSH DO IT?", SEEMS VERY UNLIKELY, I DO THINK THERE MAY HAVE BEEN MORE TO IT THOUGH AND THE GOVERNMENT MIGHT HAVE WRAPPED IT ALL IN TO TOO NEAT OF A PACKAGE...AFTER ALL, DO WE REALLY BELIEVE THAT THEY KNEW WHO DID IT SO QUICKLY ? WHEN HAVE THEY EVER SHOWN SUCH EFFICIENCY?....PERHAPS SOME GOVERNMENT LIKE SAUDIA ARABIA WAS MORE INVOLVED OR MAYBE SOME PEOPLE AT THE TOWERS WHO HAD ACCESS WERE PAID OFF MONETARILY TO SET BOMBS , WHO KNOWS? ....IF BUSH HADN'T LIED ABOUT SO MANYT THINGS, I'D BE MORE WILLING TO ACCEPT THEIR STORY AT FACE VALUE....quote author=robertaxel board=democrat thread=1174717359 post=1174846726]I was at the World Financial Center.. a very few yards away... I saw everything, including many images which will never leave me.. I am very lucky to even be writing this
NOW SEE, THAT MAKES SENSE TO ME...THAT BUSH WOULDA COVERED UP FOR HIS SAUDI FRIENDS....THERE'S A LOTTA HYPERBOLE AND SOMETIMES PEOPLE JUST HATE BUSH SO MUCH, THEY AREN'T RATIONALE, THEY WILL BLAME HIM FOR ANYTHING....BUT SOMETHING STINKS HERE...