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Post by Andrew on Jan 10, 2008 14:37:26 GMT -5
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Post by erik on Jan 10, 2008 23:13:52 GMT -5
This is just my view (and I'm not likely to vote for the guy, even in the unlikely event he surges past the other GOP candidates for that party's nomination), but Ron Paul seems to be tapping into a long-hidden need to put the country back on track via the same principles that guided Eisenhower. If anyone remembers, despite being a five-star general, Eisenhower didn't believe in a bloated bureaucracy or a military defense apparatus that ate everybody's tax dollars up. He was a hugely pragmatic man.
Paul, arguably, seems to be on that kind of wavelength. And while everybody else on the GOP side seems to be rushing headlong into continuing our bulls*** war in Iraq, he's telling people that we need a way out...which we do. But as long as the GOP keeps courting the Religious Right, as it has done since 1980, they are going to keep America on the path to ruin. Paul, it seems to me, wouldn't let that happen, and that's why they're not going to give him the nomination. He is not a Pat Robertson a**-kisser.
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Post by jhar26 on Jan 11, 2008 10:32:11 GMT -5
Of course I agree that America needs to get out of Iraq as soon as possible - in fact they never should have been there to begin with. The worry is about what they will leave behind when they do. It's already bad enough to start a war under false pretences (the so-called weapons of mass destruction and links with al-qaida  ) and against the wishes of the UN. It would be even worse to get out because things haven't been going as smoothly as you had expected and leave the country in a state of anarchy that you are responsible for. Gaston |
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Post by erik on Jan 11, 2008 17:57:23 GMT -5
Quote by Amadeus Springstadt:
True--which is why we need to finish the job in a far smarter way than we have been doing for the last five years. I don't think the Republicans have a single clue, other than their John Wayne mentality--and that has proven to be a bonafide three-ring flop! A smarter combination of political, economic, diplomatic, and military power is the key to achieving success, but we won't get it with another war-mongering right-winger in the White House.
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Post by jhar26 on Jan 11, 2008 18:56:11 GMT -5
Quote by Amadeus Springstadt: True--which is why we need to finish the job in a far smarter way than we have been doing for the last five years. I don't think the Republicans have a single clue, other than their John Wayne mentality--and that has proven to be a bonafide three-ring flop! A ssmarter combination of political, economic, diplomatic, and military power is the key to achieving success, but we won't get it with another war-mongering right-winger in the White House. Agreed. The focus should be on ending the war - not needlessly prolonging it. How exactly that should be done, I have no idea. A far bigger problem is that those who started it have no idea either. Gaston |
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Post by erik on Feb 5, 2008 14:08:10 GMT -5
Quote by Amadeus Springstadt:
There definitely needs to be a full-court press on this--but the military cannot be thesole component; as I've said, it's a four tier approach: political; economic; diplomatic; and military.
What worries me even more is what is still happening here in America--the absolute apathy and indifference to the death that is being inflicted upon both our nation's soldiers and the innocent civilians caught in the crossfire. What happened forty years ago here, with all the huge protests against the Vietnam War, ought to be happening today against this colossally inept War On Terror, but it isn't. That is a black mark on my country, I'm sorry to say.
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) and against the wishes of the UN. It would be even worse to get out because things haven't been going as smoothly as you had expected and leave the country in a state of anarchy that you are responsible for.