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Post by erik on Sept 4, 2014 14:43:22 GMT -5
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Post by profblues on Sept 4, 2014 19:36:33 GMT -5
great line I read earlier about next Spring's Academy Awards ceremony, when they show the montage of all the Hollywood types who passed in the previous year, all the celebrities that Joan Rivers dissed in her act over the years will have to applaud for her as part of the tribute.  I liked her early work, but she became a joke the last ten or 15 years. |
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Post by erik on Sept 4, 2014 21:45:09 GMT -5
What I think was the biggest mistake she ever made was in getting her own late-night TV talk show for the then-burgeoning Fox Network in 1986 (before it became so right-wing under Rupert Murdock and Roger Ailes), and not even bothering to tell her mentor, Johnny Carson, that she had done it; Johnny had to learn about it in the press, instead of from Rivers herself out front.
In the entertainment world, I think there are some lines you either don't cross at all, or, if you do, then not only should you make sure you tell those you're closest to, as Rivers was to Johnny right up to that point, what you're going to do, and when it's going to happen, but you should be upfront about it. Don't let them know about it in the media, or you'll earn nothing but their wrath from that point forward. Why she didn't do this simple courtesy for Johnny is something that is a complete mystery to me, but it really wrecked any chance of her succeeding him as the person at the top of the late-night TV heap.
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Post by profblues on Sept 5, 2014 8:44:40 GMT -5
What I think was the biggest mistake she ever made was in getting her own late-night TV talk show for the then-burgeoning Fox Network in 1986 (before it became so right-wing under Rupert Murdock and Roger Ailes), and not even bothering to tell her mentor, Johnny Carson, that she had done it; Johnny had to learn about it in the press, instead of from Rivers herself out front. In the entertainment world, I think there are some lines you either don't cross at all, or, if you do, then not only should you make sure you tell those you're closest to, as Rivers was to Johnny right up to that point, what you're going to do, and when it's going to happen, but you should be upfront about it. Don't let them know about it in the media, or you'll earn nothing but their wrath from that point forward. Why she didn't do this simple courtesy for Johnny is something that is a complete mystery to me, but it really wrecked any chance of her succeeding him as the person at the top of the late-night TV heap. was it FOX "news" channel or Fox Entertainment that she had her show on? while both are owned by Rupert, there is definitely a difference in programming and very little of Fox's entertainment programming seems to be in line with the Right wing conservatism over on FOX "news". but I truly think, Joan saw the writing on the wall that NBC wasn't going to give her Johnny's job when he stepped down and jumped at the chance. In hindsight snubbing Carson probably wasn't good form but also the fact that The Late Show, wasn't much of a vehicle for her either. But the problem seemed to be between her and NBC since it wasn't until Fallon took over that she appeared again on the Tonight Show, long after Carson had stepped down and passed on. |
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Post by erik on Sept 5, 2014 8:52:59 GMT -5
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No, this was in 1986, well before anyone in the media had ever even heard of Rupert Murdoch or his "News Corporation"; it was when Fox was starting up its own network, with no thoughts of O'Reilly or Hannity dancing in their heads. Rivers was to be the bulwark, if you will, of all that, but it lasted all of eight months, I believe.
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Post by egoodstein on Sept 5, 2014 11:19:32 GMT -5
I think Rivers was often very funny, esp.early on. She didn't really have the right personality to lead an entertainment talk show IMO though: wanted to be the center of attention. So an effective guest . Later she seemed to be sometimes too bitchy/abrasive at times, but she always spoke her mind and was a very independent and strong woman, & she often made fun of herself too (at least until the last few years when she was thinner-skinned and kinda weirder). |
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