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Post by jhar26 on May 6, 2015 5:48:16 GMT -5
This could potentially be one of the most interesting things we've ever done. But only if we don't ridicule each other for believing some of these things or NOT believing them. I guess that many of these things would be called "conspiracy theories, but I think that has tooo negative or dismissive a ring to it for me to use it here. Especially since in many cases the ones that are doing the dismissing expect us to believe the just as unlikely alternative "coincidence theory" or "incompetence theory." Not all of the choices fall into this category however. Some simply have to do with religious and/or esoteric believe (or the lack thereof).
You can vote for as many (or few) as you want - it all depends on what you believe to be true. Some could fall into the "could be, but I'm not sure" category. If so, mention them here. In fact, do as much discussing as possible because that will be much, much more fun than just voting and nothing more.
Explanation:
-Problem, reaction, solution: You want to move society in a direction that you know that if you would introduce it openly people wouldn't accept it. So you create a problem but you put the blame on someone else. This might be an act of 'terrorism' (there's a new boogyman every couple of months these days), 'global warming,' a banking crisis - whatever. Now you will get the reaction that you want from the people - usually one of fear. They will now ask for a solution to that problem. And you now offer that solution which is the direction where you wanted to go all along and which people will now accept. These days there's even a no problem, reaction, solution. Weapons of mass destruction in Iraq was a perfect example.
-The Totalitarian Tiptoe: You are at A but your ultimate goal is Z. But you can't go there too fast because then people will notice. So you go from A to B, from B to C, and so on, and eventually you will get halfway through the alphabet without people noticing that there's anything going on.
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Post by profblues on May 6, 2015 9:19:51 GMT -5
Personally, with regards to God, the afterlife and reincarnation
I've never met the man (or woman) (unless of course you subscribe to the Joan Osborne song lyric "what if God was one of us?) so I don't know for certain of the existence of a deity (or deities). I don't operate on faith so much as reason.
that being said, the same goes for the afterlife...I suspect this life is all I get, then whatever place my remains end up will be the end of it all at least as far as I am concerned. Many of my critics have assured me that there is a spot in Hell reserved for me. that remains to be seen (I hope they serve barbecue and there is at least bourbon)
while I don't personally believe in an afterlife, part of me hopes that my mom and grandmother are in a better/happier place given some of their Earthly struggles.
Reincarnation. Again this is one of those I'm not necessarily sure that it occurs, but I remain open minded to the idea. Why wouldn't a God want to recycle his best work?
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Post by erik on May 6, 2015 9:32:22 GMT -5
In terms of 9/11 being an "inside job"--the reason I did say yes to that one is not because I believe that Bush/Cheney planned it per se, but because I do have a gut feeling that they did allow it to happen by not stopping it.
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Post by robertaxel on May 6, 2015 10:44:08 GMT -5
Very interesting thread, I don't disagree with a lot here...at the time of this writing the JFK assassination and the world control of the banks (though I think the corporations even control them) are leading the pack...
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Post by jhar26 on May 6, 2015 12:29:14 GMT -5
Very interesting thread, I don't disagree with a lot here...at the time of this writing the JFK assassination and the world control of the banks (though I think the corporations even control them) are leading the pack... Thanks. I hoped for the best but expected ridicule for a lot of these options. Even so - even the most seemingly outrageous of these have a following and "believers" - often even among at least some scientists. Not that science is the be-all end-all of no matter what subject imo. Scientific theories are only temporary conclusions sold to as as absolute truths until they make the next discovery which makes them form something else to sell to us as the absolute truth..........until the next discovery is made. Take for example the Big Bang theory. Science sold us this as an absolute truth for years. But in 2013 a team of astronomers discovered the biggest known structure in the universe. This was a group of quasars (the brightest known objects in the universe) which is so big that it would take four billion years to cross even at the speed of light. The relevance of this colossal quasar clustur - about a fifth of the observable universe - is that something this large could not have formed within the big bang theory. |
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Post by jhar26 on May 6, 2015 12:46:19 GMT -5
Personally, with regards to God, the afterlife and reincarnation I've never met the man (or woman) (unless of course you subscribe to the Joan Osborne song lyric "what if God was one of us?) so I don't know for certain of the existence of a deity (or deities). I don't operate on faith so much as reason. that being said, the same goes for the afterlife...I suspect this life is all I get, then whatever place my remains end up will be the end of it all at least as far as I am concerned. Many of my critics have assured me that there is a spot in Hell reserved for me. that remains to be seen (I hope they serve barbecue and there is at least bourbon) while I don't personally believe in an afterlife, part of me hopes that my mom and grandmother are in a better/happier place given some of their Earthly struggles. Reincarnation. Again this is one of those I'm not necessarily sure that it occurs, but I remain open minded to the idea. Why wouldn't a God want to recycle his best work? Much of what I'm gonna say here is going to sound like the ramblings of a fruitcake to most. But I don't care. It makes sense to me, which is all that matters since me is the person I'm talking about.  I believe that there is an afterlife, or rather that there is no such thing as death. As humans we just live in a very limited state of awareness through this biological computer that we call the human body. That biological computer can with the five senses that we have only decode 0.005% of everything that is in the space that we occupy and which science calls 'visible light.' All the rest is 'dark matter.' When we 'die' and leave our 'biological computer' we move on to a much expanded state of awareness or conscousnes where time and space don't exist and where each 'soul' becomes a part of the one universal consciousnes. I've come to this conclusion based on the stories of countless people who've had a near death experience or who have been clinically death. After that we either stay in that other realm where all is infinate love and peace, or our essence is reincarnated into another body to go through another cycle of living on earth (or who knows, perhaps somewhere else). I would suggest that to put it in religious terms that other realm is 'heaven' and to be reincarnated again is 'hell.' I don't believe however in conventional religions. The origins of all of them can be brought back to the ancient world when the same stories and deity's were around under different names. Take Christianity for example. Christianity is the church of Babylon (preceding Christianity by thousands of years) relocated to Rome. When you go back far enough you'll find that all religions worship the sun and the moon. The gods represent the sun and the goddesses the moon. But back to Babylon. The Babylonian faith also had it's three deity's - not real people, but symbols for the sun and the moon. Anyway - those three deity's were: -Queen Semiramis (also known as Ishtar) -Nimrod (also known as Baal) -Tammuz Nimrod (as the sun god Baal) impregnated Queen Semiramis with the rays of the sun. In other words, Queen Semiramis was the virgin mother. Their son was Tammuz "who performed great miracles," was killed, buried in a cave and three days later his body was gone. Sounds familiar, doesn't it? In Rome Nimrod became God the father, Tammuz became Jesus and Queen Semiramis became "the holy ghost." One of the symbols for Queen Semiramis was the dove (another one was the owl). The symbol for the holy ghost is also a dove. The halo around the head of Jesus is the sun - he's in his origins a sun god. Everything about the Christian faith and the ancient Babylonian faith (again - this preceding Christianity by thousands of years) is virtually the same, right down to the holidays. For example - we've just had Easter. Well, Easter was originally called by the Babylonians Ishtar (as I said before, Ishtar was another name for Queen Semiramis. As I also said before Ishtar/Queen Semiramis was the goddess of the moon. Well, Ishtar is the day when Babylonians celebrated the day when Ishtar came down from the moon in a vehicle/"spaceship" that had the form of an egg, which is where we get our Easter eggs from. Ishtar egg - Easter egg. And if you know what to look for you'll find that Babylonian trinity symbolism is all around us. One famous example (although I don't think that many people are aware of this) is the statue of liberty. |
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Post by jhar26 on May 6, 2015 12:54:06 GMT -5
Very interesting thread, I don't disagree with a lot here...at the time of this writing the JFK assassination and the world control of the banks (though I think the corporations even control them) are leading the pack... BTW - my personal favorite is "Bono will save the world."  |
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Post by jhar26 on May 6, 2015 14:26:12 GMT -5
And other than the Bono and Elvis ones where I was just trying to be funny - just to illustrate that even the most (seemingly) outrageous of these believes and theories are based on something and I'm not just making them up - here are some of the reasons why some believe that the moon is not a natural body: -Ancient accounts tell about the time when the moon first appeared on the sky - thus suggesting that it hadn't always been there. The appearance of the moon is supposed to have coincided with many natural disasters including the great flood (later copied by the biblical flood). -Pretty much everyone agrees that the moon is much too big to be a sattelite of a planet as small as the Earth. -There are some truly amazing mathematical sychonicities between the Earth, sun and moon that don't apply to any other bodies in the solar system and that are too weird to be nothing more than accidental. For example: - The moon is 400 times smaller than the sun, and at a solar eclipse it is 400 times closer to Earth.This makes the moon appear from Earth to be the same size as the sun during a total eclipse. -The sun is at it's lowest and weakest in mid-winter when the moon is at it's highest and brightest. The reverse happens in mid-summer. They set at the same point on the horizon at the equinoxes and at the opposite point of the solstices. -Earth rotates 366.259 times during one orbit of the sun. The polar circumference of the earth is 366.175 times bigger than that of the moon. The polar circumference of the moon is 27.31 percent the size of Earth and the moon makes 27.396 turns per orbit of the Earth.. -Multiply the circumference of the moon by that of Earth and you get 436.699 kilometres. If this number is divided by 100 it becomes 436.669 kilometres - the circumference of the sun correct to 99.9 percent. -Divide the circumference of the sun by that of the moon and multiply by 100 and you get the circumference of the Earth. Divide the size of the sun by the size of the Earth and multiply by 100 and you get the size of the moon. Scientists say that this relationship between the sun, the moon and Earth is nothing less than staggering and that the moon has been positioned with the accuracy of a Swiss watchmaker. -There's reason to believe that the moon is hollow.and a natural satellite can not be a hollow object. NASA scientists struck the moon with a blow equivalent of one tonne of TNT after seismometers had been installed and the moon "rang like a bell" and the reverberations from it continued for 30 minutes. A few other mysteries (and there are many, many more): -The moon is said to have next to no magnetic field, but moon rocks are magnetised. -Some rocks contain processed metals, such as brass and mica, and the elements neptunium 237 and uranium 236, which do not occur naturally.Geochemist Dr S Ross Taylor who led the chemical analysis team said that areas of the moon the size of Texas were covered with melted rock containing fluid titanium and he could not explain how the heat was generated to do this. -Dr Don L Anderson, a professor of geophysics said that the moon is made inside out. What is on the outside should be inside. Many say that the only logical explanation for the moon is that it doesn't exist.  |
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Post by jhar26 on May 6, 2015 14:48:14 GMT -5
the world control of the banks (though I think the corporations even control them) are leading the pack... .....and who controls/owns the banks, the corporations and through them most other institutions of any consequence? The illuminati families that are not supposed to exist. |
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Post by jhar26 on May 6, 2015 15:02:14 GMT -5
In terms of 9/11 being an "inside job"--the reason I did say yes to that one is not because I believe that Bush/Cheney planned it per se, but because I do have a gut feeling that they did allow it to happen by not stopping it. After reading about it, hearing lectures about it and listening to multiple interviews about it I think it's very likely that it was literally an inside job. But inside job or allowing it to happen is pretty much the same in terms of guilt imo. |
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Post by profblues on May 6, 2015 16:44:56 GMT -5
The real Paul McCartney wouldn't have lost control of the Beatles catalog to a pedophile. that's how I know McCartney died in 1966. |
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Post by erik on May 6, 2015 18:15:46 GMT -5
And with respect to JFK, I feel that the most likely way he was killed was not by one man with a rifle (let alone a Marine with less-than-stellar shooting skills, shooting at a moving target from 250 feet way from the sixth floor of the Texas School Book Depository), like that fraudulent Warren Commission claims), but by three riflemen in a triangular crossfire there at Dealey Plaza.
But the best question to be asked about JFK's murder is the Why. Why was this man murdered in the first place? If you look at the last fifty-two years of history, especially the eleven years that followed November 22, 1963, I think the answer is pretty clear, and, more importantly, provable.
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Post by jhar26 on May 7, 2015 7:14:27 GMT -5
The real Paul McCartney wouldn't have lost control of the Beatles catalog to a pedophile. that's how I know McCartney died in 1966. I was wondering who voted for that one.  I think I made a mistake yesterday by putting so much stuff in this poll. I should have done it in four or five times and put the religion stuff in one poll, the political stuff in another, the conspiracies in a third one, the alien/ufo thing in a fourth one, and the murders in a fifth. The way it is a lot of things will be left untouched. I'm a pretty open minded person who rarely (if ever) dismisses anything just bacause it sounds unconventional. That doesn't mean that I will accept it, but I'm willing to give it a listen. I think my "the moon is an alien construct" post is the perfect illustration of that. The arguments therein don't convince me that it is an alien construct, but fact of the matter is that when one takes the time to check out the arguments of those that believe it is it doesn't sound nearly as insane as you would think at first glance. And the same is true for almost everything in this poll, including the outrageous sounding. But there are some real fruitcakes in what I will call for lack of a better word "the truth movement." A few weeks ago I had a discussion (by PM) at that tennis forum. He's become something of a buddy since he's also a huge Woz fan. Anyway, he was claiming that Angelina Jolie (yes, Angelina Jolie) was a reptilian shape shifter. And he wasn't joking. But as I said, I'm willing to give everyone a listen so I said, "Ok, convince me. Tell me why you think she's a reptilian shape shifter." He had nothing more than a few pictures and he said, "Just look at those eyes! The're clearly reptilian! And look at that other picture with Brad Pitt! He has such a dismayed look on his face because he knows what is coming!" Totally paranoid - a boogyman behind every bush and around every corner. I think that's very sad. I don't dismiss the unusual or even the outrageous by reflex action, but you've got to have at least some arguments to back them up. |
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Post by profblues on May 7, 2015 8:55:20 GMT -5
The real Paul McCartney wouldn't have lost control of the Beatles catalog to a pedophile. that's how I know McCartney died in 1966. I was wondering who voted for that one. I think I made a mistake yesterday by putting so much stuff in this poll. I should have done it in four or five times and put the religion stuff in one poll, the political stuff in another, the conspiracies in a third one, the alien/ufo thing in a fourth one, and the murders in a fifth. The way it is a lot of things will be left untouched. I'm a pretty open minded person who rarely (if ever) dismisses anything just bacause it sounds unconventional. That doesn't mean that I will accept it, but I'm willing to give it a listen. I think my "the moon is an alien construct" post is the perfect illustration of that. The arguments therein don't convince me that it is an alien construct, but fact of the matter is that when one takes the time to check out the arguments of those that believe it is it doesn't sound nearly as insane as you would think at first glance. And the same is true for almost everything in this poll, including the outrageous sounding. But there are some real fruitcakes in what I will call for lack of a better word "the truth movement." A few weeks ago I had a discussion (by PM) at that tennis forum. He's become something of a buddy since he's also a huge Woz fan. Anyway, he was claiming that Angelina Jolie (yes, Angelina Jolie) was a reptilian shape shifter. And he wasn't joking. But as I said, I'm willing to give everyone a listen so I said, "Ok, convince me. Tell me why you think she's a reptilian shape shifter." He had nothing more than a few pictures and he said, "Just look at those eyes! The're clearly reptilian! And look at that other picture with Brad Pitt! He has such a dismayed look on his face because he knows what is coming!" Totally paranoid - a boogyman behind every bush and around every corner. I think that's very sad. I don't dismiss the unusual or even the outrageous by reflex action, but you've got to have at least some arguments to back them up. We have more than our share here in the States as you well know. The tinfoil hat crowd down in Texas right now have their panties in a twist over some planned military training exercise this summer that they are convinced is a plot by President Obama (naturally) to overthrow the Government of Texas and start rounding up folks to put them in FEMA internment camps and it involves supposedly secret tunnels under recently closed Walmart stores and the UN as well. |
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Post by profblues on May 7, 2015 9:05:04 GMT -5
a blogger from Alaska that I follow named Jim Wright writes a blog called Stonekettle Station. he wrote piece on the current conspiracy theory about the JadeHelm 15 military exercise recently and as expected has received a lot of blowback from the tinfoil hat crowd. He posted this yesterday about what it's like to debate with these wingnuts... Nut: Blert! Blert! Flying saucers and black helicopters! Ook ook! Bunkers! UN Troops! Obama is an alien reptile in a rubber human suit! Secret tunnels! Black holes of evil! FEMA! FEEEEEEEEEMA! FEMA! Blarbforkennspittlespittyspit! Me: Ha ha. Very funny. But you're kidding right? Nut: Flarn flobbin ook ook! Death camps! WAKE UP! GUNZZZ! NEED MOWR GUNZZZ! Me: Oh. <pause> So, you're serious then. Nut: SHEEPLE! Constitublitionbarble! Freeeeeeedom! Me: What evidence do you offer for this intricate theory? Nut: DO YOUR RESEARCH! Me: No, really. Nut: What about THIS?!!! YOU CAN'T ARGUE WITH THIS! SEE! OOK OOK! PROOF! WHAT DO YOU HAVE TO SAY ABOUT THAT?!! Me: This appears to be a hand drawn picture of Bigfoot with a rocket launcher strapped to his big hairy ass. Nut: WEAPONIZED ATOMIC SASQUATCHES ARE TOTALLY A THING! THEY MAKE THEM IN A SECRET MUSLIM LAIR UNDER LEGOLAND! IT'S WHERE CHEMTRAILS COME FROM, MORON! THE ILLUMINATIS RUN THE WHOLE WORLD FROM THEY'RE [sic] WAKE UP WAKE UP WAKE UP! THERE [sic] TRYING TO TURN US GAY! FACE ON MARS, MAN, FACE ON MARS! Me: I'm gonna need ... more. Nut: Okay, what about THIS?!! SHEEPLE! Ook! Me: Is that a picture of a totally unrelated thing from ten years ago in another country that you found on the internet and photoshopped Barack Obama's face on? Nut: LIAR! LIAR! WHY ARE YOU A LYING LIAR? SHEEPLE! Me: Look, I'm just saying that you sound like the victim of a botched lobotomy. Nut: YOUR [sic] PART OF IT, AREN'T YOU? Me: Seriously? Nut: YOUR [sic] PART OF IT! YOUR [sic] PART OF IT! OOK OOK! BERT BERT! SPIT SPIT! SECRET MOON BASE. THE FEDERAL RESERVE IS REALLY RUN BY INTELLIGENT SQUIDS! OBAMA IS A SQUID! A ROBOT SQUID! A GAY ROBOT DEMON SQUID FROM HELL! YES! YES! HE WILL DESTROY THE WORLD! DEATH PANELS. NEW WORLD ORDER! ISIS! WHAT ABOUT ISIS? HOW DO YOU EXPLAIN THAT? ROBOT SQUIDS! END TIMES! 2012! GAY AGENDA! Me: Right. About that. Didn't you say the same thing about the last guy? And ... nothing? You bought all those surplus MREs, remember? And hunkered in your bunker for a month drinking your own piss and watching Alex Jones. And ... nothing. Right? Nut: No. Me: C'mon . Nut: Okay, yes. But THIS TIME it's totally real, man. Bible math. I swear. Look, I found a picture of Bigfoot with a rocket launcher. See? THEY'RE ARMING MEXICAN BIGFOOTS, MAN, THERE[sic] COMING ACROSS THE BOARDER[sic] RIGHT NOW! WAKE UP! THE PROPHECY IS ALL COMING TRUE! Me: Hold that thought. I'm going for another beer. Maybe two. If I'm not back in, say, EVER, start the revolution without me... Now, yes, I will certainly feel foolish if it turns out Obama really is a robot squid from another dimension here to gayify Texas - but then again, at this point I think some of those big square states in the middle of the country might benefit from a dose of glitter and a wardrobe update. Until that happens, however, if you need me I'll be out in the shop sharing a sixer with Bigfoot. |
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Post by jhar26 on May 7, 2015 9:18:45 GMT -5
I was wondering who voted for that one. I think I made a mistake yesterday by putting so much stuff in this poll. I should have done it in four or five times and put the religion stuff in one poll, the political stuff in another, the conspiracies in a third one, the alien/ufo thing in a fourth one, and the murders in a fifth. The way it is a lot of things will be left untouched. I'm a pretty open minded person who rarely (if ever) dismisses anything just bacause it sounds unconventional. That doesn't mean that I will accept it, but I'm willing to give it a listen. I think my "the moon is an alien construct" post is the perfect illustration of that. The arguments therein don't convince me that it is an alien construct, but fact of the matter is that when one takes the time to check out the arguments of those that believe it is it doesn't sound nearly as insane as you would think at first glance. And the same is true for almost everything in this poll, including the outrageous sounding. But there are some real fruitcakes in what I will call for lack of a better word "the truth movement." A few weeks ago I had a discussion (by PM) at that tennis forum. He's become something of a buddy since he's also a huge Woz fan. Anyway, he was claiming that Angelina Jolie (yes, Angelina Jolie) was a reptilian shape shifter. And he wasn't joking. But as I said, I'm willing to give everyone a listen so I said, "Ok, convince me. Tell me why you think she's a reptilian shape shifter." He had nothing more than a few pictures and he said, "Just look at those eyes! The're clearly reptilian! And look at that other picture with Brad Pitt! He has such a dismayed look on his face because he knows what is coming!" Totally paranoid - a boogyman behind every bush and around every corner. I think that's very sad. I don't dismiss the unusual or even the outrageous by reflex action, but you've got to have at least some arguments to back them up. We have more than our share here in the States as you well know. The tinfoil hat crowd down in Texas right now have their panties in a twist over some planned military training exercise this summer that they are convinced is a plot by President Obama (naturally) to overthrow the Government of Texas and start rounding up folks to put them in FEMA internment camps and it involves supposedly secret tunnels under recently closed Walmart stores and the UN as well. Yes, I'm aware of it since I regularly check out the alternative media. Doesn't mean that I believe everything they have to say, but hey, the mainstream media is full of crap also imo. So I like to hear both sides and make up my own mind. One thing that I've noticed is that the alternative media in the US is mostly right-wing territory while in Europe it's more left-ish or "impartial." But I think that the alternative media or "truth movement" is making a valuable contribution to "the debate" and dares to ask questions that the mainstream doesn't. And it sometimes uncovers things that goes into territory where the mainstream doesn't dare to go. The fact that there is now a major investigation (including all the predictable cover-ups) going on in the UK concerning pedophile rings that involves politicians, bankers, celebrities and media personalities is only because of the (British) alternative media because the mainstream wouldn't touch it. |
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Post by egoodstein on May 10, 2015 18:35:01 GMT -5
I think of myself as an 'atheistic agnostic.' Not enough interest/energy to care if there's God (or Gods-- which would be more interesting), or follow ritual behavior. Somehow I think the Greeks, etc. might've been closer to the truth over a bunch of arguing/meddlesome/vindictive and thin-skinned jokesters of sorts given how things go down sometimes. That said, I kind of agree with Voltaire that if there wasn't a God, humans would need to invent one. As a metaphor for forestalling despair, urging ethical behavior, recognizing human frailty and the boundaries to behavior and life itself, 'life wisdom,' and offering solace and even bravery in the face of evil, useful. As an excuse to kill somebody in the name of some jealous deity or for the sake of a bunch of habitual behavior, lousy. Religion has created great art, inspriing individuals and scholarship, AND created great misery and narrow minded bigots: so a reflection of people really. Otherwise, I mostly think that even paranoids have enemies. . . |
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